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From Terry:

I've been reading a lot lately about the whole "under God" thing with the Pledge of Allegiance and have wondered how you go about combating those that you deal with who think that the phrase should just be completely struck out.  Even I have gotten to the point of having to conceed that the phrase has no place in the Pledge but I don't want to.  Any advice you might have would be helpful.

Thanks

Terry,

The worst thing you can do is give up.  There is a good thread on this currently going on over at freeconservatives.com.  It is in the "other news" section under politics.  This thread has pretty much gone through and debunked all the major reasons the anti-"under God"ites have come up with.  I am currently working on an article concerning this, but use this as your primer.  You'll have to be patient and weed through the liberal mantra and repreated insanity of the same things being said over and over only to be debunked over and over, but it is worth it.

Pretty much you are looking at these as the major arguments:
1) The founding fathers were not Christians.

Answer this by using many of the quotes I have here on this site under the quotations section.

2) There are no refences to God or that God's Laws were involved in the founding in the Constitution which sets forth our laws.

Answer this by noting that the Declaration of Independence uses these phrases "the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them" (note that God is capitalized and thus indicates the proper form), "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", and "appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world".  Coupling this with the final sentence of the Constitution which clearly recognizes the Declaration of Independence as the "founding" for the nation and that many of the same persons were involved with both documents, they can not be simply separated.

3) The Treaty of Tripoli says that we are not a nation founded under the Christian faith.

Yes and no.  The article that they will refer to is #11 and it does indeed say that American is not a "Christian" nation.  However the following things must be remembered:
a) The meaning of this phrase is not that the nation is not founded under the laws of Christianity, but rather that the United States is not a "Christian State" ruled by the Christian church.  This was one of the reasons that the Barbary States were pirating our ships; i.e. because they beleived that we were a Christian State ruled by the Christian church and they were followers of Islam.
b) Other treaties signed around the same time (both before and after) by the United States refered to such things as the grace of God and the Judeo-Christian faith as binding between the participants.  This points out the difference in what is actually political pandering in treaty writing and actual reality.
c) The treaty ceased to exist when it was later renegotiated with the US in a stronger possiton than when the Treaty of Tripoli was signed.  This new version has no such mention of the United States not being a "Christian" nation.
d) If all this fails to convince people otherwise simply point out that while treaties are certainly considered law, there is fine point to remember that law can often contradict fact.  If Congress passed a treaty with France that said the Earth was flat, does it make it so?  No it doesn't.

4) The phrase "under God" violates that separatation of church and state and imposes a religion up me.

Answer this with, there is no such thing.  The phrase appears in a letter by Thomas Jefferson loosely related at best to the meaning of the first Amendment.  It also does not impose a religion.  Simply stating an historical fact imposes nothing.  The 1st Amendment says that Congress shall not make a law respecting the "establishment" of a religion.  "Establish" means to make law or make it required to be practiced.  Saying that agreeing to a historical fact such as the United States being founded "under God" is the last great hope for those that want to see it removed.  If stating an historic fact means that you are forced to agree with it as your method of beleif, then stating that Hitler's Germany was founded under the NAZI system of beliefs would make you a NAZI.   Now that is just silly.

Hope that helps.  Look for my upcoming papaer on this that will expound on these points.

Sincerely,

Jeffrey J. Jackson
www.thelandofthefree.net

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